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More Kerry lies prove he is just like every other Politician. He will lie straight to your face to get elected.

Kerry Plays Dumb on Truth About Bush's Guard Service

Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry lent credence on Monday to the Democratic Party urban legend that President Bush went AWOL from the National Guard in the early 1970s - despite several prominently published reports showing the charge to be completely baseless.

Speaking to the Boston Globe, Kerry pretended to be completely ignorant of investigations by the New York Times and George Magazine, probes that removed all doubts that Bush's Guard service was full and complete - saying instead that the issue was "a question that I think remains open."

Though his campaign has been focusing on the bogus Bush AWOL charges since last Thursday, Kerry insisted five days later that he still hadn't been able to learn "the facts."

"I don't even know what the facts are," the top Democrat told the Globe. But in the next breath he added, "I think it's up to the president and the military to answer those questions.''

In fact, the president and the military have already answered "those questions" - as Kerry, his fellow Democrats and "journalists" currently spreading this falsehood undoubtedly know.

The New York Times, for instance, ran several reports clearing up the so-called "mystery" just before the 2000 presidential election - in each case exposing the AWOL allegation as false.

In a July 2000 report, the Times said that documents obtained from the National Guard corroborated claims by the Bush campaign that the then-candidate had taken a leave of absence in late 1972 to work on a Republican Senate campaign in Alabama - but later made up the time, as permitted under Guard regulations.

"Guard records," the Times concluded, "show [Bush} received credit for having performed all the required service."

The paper also noted that a key Bush accuser had begun to waiver on his allegation that Bush had missed service:

"Questions about Mr. Bush's military service arose in May," the paper reported, "when The Boston Globe quoted Mr. Turnipseed, who retired as a general, as saying Mr. Bush never appeared for duty (with his Alabama Guard unit, where Bush had transferred temporarily).

However, the Times said, "in a recent interview, the general took a tiny step back, saying, 'I don't think he did, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. I think I would have remembered him.'"

For those not persuaded by the Times' unequivocal exoneration, George Magazine examined the Bush Guard record in excruciating detail for an October 2000 report.

The highlights:

"Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first.

"Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972 - when he could have been in Alabama - and May 24, 1973."

George concluded that Bush had actually performed more Guard service during the year in question than required, reporting, "When added to the 15 so-called 'gratuitous' points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman."

If John Kerry is truly unaware that the questions he so disingenuously raised yesterday have long ago been asked and answered, it's time he brought himself up to speed.

And then he can deliver a public apology to President Bush for continuing to spread this blatant falsehood.
 

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KMAN,

This is the best the libs have for an offense...to bring up stuff that was dismissed years ago by the liberal press no less!! It shows you what a sorry state they are in.
 

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Im not going to do a whole dissertation on it here, but the issue is not so clear abd it has not been adequately explained one way or the other. The known facts are conflicting.

Kerry is right that it is an open question.
 

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The fact that GWB skipped Nam is enough as far as I'm concerned.

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D2Bets - If you're not going to believe the National Guard who are you going to believe?

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"...gwb skipped nam is enough for me." and the hypocrite puts his foot in his mouth, AGAIN.

and i bet you didn't vote for slippery bill!
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that's something to be proud of -- couldn't win the presidency, and he sinks dean with his endorsement. i want to be on his side
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; he couldn't even carry his own state
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good thinking
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and i promise i will chill out when you start speaking the truth, quit talking out of both sides of your mouth, and quit being a hypocrite.

fair enuff?

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All that election bull still does'nt change the fact that GWB avoided the Nam like a little sissy. On the other hand I've had teenage solders from poor families die right in front of me, while your hero was playing weekend warrior. He did this when he was perfectly capable to fight along with the rest of us.. This kind of cowardice I cannot forgive, or respect. Until you have been in harms way, you have no idea what true courage is, neither does our Commander in Chief. If all I am is a hipocryte then I can live with that. I know one thing when they told me to go I went volantarly, and don't expect any pats on the back for doing what hundreds of thousands of other American men did, save the ones who had no stomach for it. Worship the man all you want nothing will ever change what he did to his own generation. At least his father had what it took to answer the call.

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Standing Against The Fear
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 18 August 2003

"But as I drove toward Key Biscayne with the top down, squinting into the sun, I saw the Vets. They were moving up Collins Avenue in dead silence; twelve hundred of them dressed in full battle fatigues, helmets, combat boots...I left my car at a parking meter in front of the Cadillac Hotel and joined the march. No, `joined' is the wrong word; that was not the kind of procession you just walked up and `joined.' Not without paying some very heavy dues: an arm gone here, a leg there, paralysis, a face full of lumpy scar tissue, all staring straight ahead as the long silent column moved between rows of hotel porches full of tight-lipped Senior Citizens, through the heart of Miami Beach."

-- Hunter S. Thompson, upon encountering a Veterans protest of the Republican National Convention, `Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, 1972.'

If you read Robert Dallek's new biography of John F. Kennedy, `An Unfinished Life,' a rather pointed irony greets you before you reach page 100. The book details, as few have before it, the incredible infirmities that Kennedy wrestled with during his life. Stomach problems, Addison's Disease, collapsing vertebrae in his back, and more, made every day of his life an instruction in pain.

No military induction board in its right mind would allow a man so sick to serve. Yet Kennedy used all of his family's considerable influence to pull as many strings as possible in order to get him into the Navy, and into the fight that was World War II. Powerful friends were pressured, and favors were called in, so John Kennedy could serve his country when it needed him. He could have stayed home; his health, arguably, dictated that he should have stayed home. He didn't. He fought for the ability to fight, and came in the end to serve with distinction.

Who does this bring to mind today?

It brings to my mind two groups as different and distinctive as night and day. The members of the Bush administration, of course, leap immediately to mind. Virtually all of the heavies in that crew moved heaven and earth to avoid military service in Vietnam. Dick Cheney "had other priorities," as did Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Andrew Card, John Ashcroft and several others. Some, like George W. Bush himself, had the same kind of powerful family connections that Kennedy enjoyed, and used them to stay as far away from the fight as possible.

These are the fellows who are now in the business of making you afraid. Fear is their growth stock, and they use the dividends to make war. These men, who never came within 16,000 miles of a combat situation in their entire lives, now use combat as the sole principle of American diplomacy around the world. The only way they are able to get away with this is by selling fear on the home front. They are quite good at it.

These men got their war in Iraq by making you afraid of September 11. They sold the fear that Saddam Hussein was somehow involved, that he had connections to al Qaeda, that he had all these terrible weapons laying around that would surely, surely come to find you. These men used September 11 against you, deliberately and convincingly. If you think you're not a sucker for this, go take a look around your house. Do you have any plastic sheeting and duct tape stashed away somewhere? I thought so.

The comparisons deserve to be borne out. Kennedy used his influence to be able to serve. Bush and company used their influence to avoid service. Kennedy faced real weapons of mass destruction in Cuba, and used diplomacy and the United Nations to defeat the threat. Bush and company faced forged, faked, non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and gave diplomacy the back of their hand in the push for war. Kennedy said, "I speak of peace, therefore, as the necessary rational end of rational men." Bush said, "Bring `em on."

The other group that comes to mind when considering Kennedy's fight for induction is a group called Veterans for Peace. VFP was founded in 1985, in their words, "by ex-service members committed to sharing the horrors they experienced. We know the consequences of American foreign policy because once, at a time in our lives, so many of us carried it out. We find it sad that war seems so delightful, so often, to those that have no knowledge of it. We will proudly, and patriotically, continue to denounce war despite whatever misguided sense of euphoria supports it."

I was privileged to share several days with the men and women of this organization during their annual convention in San Francisco. It would take an entire book, an entire volume of books, to describe my experiences there. It would take an entire book to describe shaking the hand of Brian Willson.

Willson is a Vietnam veteran who stands today on two prosthetic limbs attached to his knees. He did not lose his legs in the war. He lost his legs in 1987 while protesting in Concord, California. He and his comrades were attempting to stop a Naval train loaded with weapons that was headed for Central America. Willson laid himself ac**** the tracks, determined not to move. He and the protesters had done this several times before, and each time the train had stopped. Not this time. The train took Willson's legs and smashed a hole in his skull. He somehow survived this, and stands today with the Veterans of Peace, unbowed and undaunted and unafraid.

He is not the exception among the men and women of this group. He is the rule.

The VFP convention centered around one concept: Defeating the politics of fear. These men and women, who served in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Haiti, Panama, the Gulf, who served everywhere the American military has been since 1941, refuse to accept the fear their government is trying to sell them. They repudiate it, denounce it, stand against it from a well of courage that is beyond the comprehension of most of us, and certainly beyond the comprehension of George W. Bush and his crew. This courage has cost men like Willson dearly, but they do not stop.

Some might say this group is not indicative of the average veteran. Woody Powell, national administrator for VFP, has a different perspective. "Each time we have this convention," said Powell, "veterans come from all over who have never heard of us. They just walk in. At some point, I always find these vets sitting and weeping. They tell me they feel like they have finally come home, that they have finally found people who understand."

These are men and women who have known fear, true fear, the fear with the big teeth and roaring snarl that rips the skin from your body before reducing you to ash. What they see happening in America today, the manner in which their government is actively trying to terrify the populace for their own purposes, disgusts them. They stand against it without fear.

Understand that the difference between these two groups - the Bush crew, and the men and women of the VFP - is the difference between what America is, and what America should be. Consider the experiences, the motivations, the actions, the sacrifices. Decide whether you want to spend your life afraid, or whether you will overcome that fear to reach the greatest victory of your life. Decide where you stand.

If Brian Willson can stand against that fear, by God, so can you.
 

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Massmilwaukee - Excellent and moving post.

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Statement of Purpose

We, having dutifully served our nation, do hereby affirm our greater responsibility to serve the cause of world peace and justice. Americans will be secure at home only when there is peace and justice abroad. To this end, we will work, with others:

toward increasing public awareness of the costs of war,

to restrain our government from intervening, overtly and covertly, in
the internal affairs of other nations,

to end the arms race and eventually eliminate nuclear weapons, and

to abolish war as an instrument of international policy.

To achieve these goals, members of Veterans For Peace pledge to use non-violent means and to maintain an organization that is democratic.

Veterans for Peace, Inc. (VFP) is a non-profit 501(c)(3) educational and humanitarian organization dedicated to the abolishment of war. VFP was founded in 1985 by ex-service members committed to sharing the horrors they experienced.

Our membership is comprised of veterans from all wars spanning from The Spanish Civil War to the Gulf War. These members are distributed amongst 86 nationwide chapters, and dozens of international affiliations.

Our international activities include working with our affiliations in El Salvador, Russia, Canada, Japan, Guatemala, Viet Nam, the Netherlands, Chiapas (Mexico), France, England, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vieques (Puerto Rico), and numerous others. A member of the Nobel-Peace Prize winning Coalition to Ban the Sale and Use of Landmines, VFP has been undertaking arduous tasks since its inception. From bringing medical aid to Central American nations, to evacuating wounded children from war-torn Bosnian hospitals and securing medical treatment elsewhere around the globe, or just sitting down with American high school kids so that they may make choices for themselves based on reality, and not myth. We remain firmly committed to the abolition of war.

We know the consequences of American foreign policy because once, at a time in our lives, so many of us carried it out. We find it sad that war seems so delightful, so often, to those that have no knowledge of it. We will proudly, and patriotically, continue to denounce war despite whatever misguided sense of euphoria supports it

Wage Peace!



Veterans for Peace
 

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Hansen - To be completely honest, I have been living abroad since 1991, and have not voted since 1984. I know I could have did the absentee thing, but I have reasons why I did not. So to answer your question in a word. No.


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"Kerry Plays Dumb on Truth About Bush's Guard Service"

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why are you not criticizing clinton's MORE egregious dodge of nam????

i mean, his "loathing of the military" was about as pathetic as it gets!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hansen bros.:
why are you not criticizing clinton's MORE egregious dodge of nam????

i mean, his "loathing of the military" was about as pathetic as it gets!

gl

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I'm not Wil, but I suspect the reason that nobody is talking about Clinton is because - *newsflash, Einstein* - Clinton isn't running for president this November or any other November.

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Let me guess you're going to fly to CR with a connecting flight in NY so you can come kick Wil and my asses
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Let's not forget how tough you posted that you were
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i'll put up $500 to a unbiased third party to meet you anytime any where!!!

let's just do it and get it over with!!! what do you say pussy boy??? i'm in, are you???

at least wil talks common sense -- you on the other hand -- need to get your little ass kicked -- and if by some wild chance that i fail to do so -- i'll have fun (win or lose) trying, and feel comfortable w/ the fact that some other AMERICAN will.

let's do it -- i am so eager i'm sick to my stomach -- tell me where??

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